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CONNECTICUT – On an upcoming episode of the Kevin Alan Show, Law Enforcement Today national spokesman Kyle Reyes will be calmly and respectfully discussing the difficult topics of racism and law enforcement, with an activist with an anti-police stance.
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The Kevin Alan show is, as described on its YouTube channel, “a news/interview style podcast, inviting all sides, all opinions and all point of views to sit down and have respectful conversations in an effort to build bridges of community and commonality.”
In a recent interview, Alan hosted LET national spokesman Kyle Reyes and activist D’Juan Eastman to discuss and debate racism and law enforcement.
At the beginning of the episode, Eastman introduced himself by making impeccably clear his stance on law enforcement, saying:
“What we do is we raise awareness to police injustice with a full abolish platform….
“We just think that law enforcement in the United States has become a thoroughly corrupting influence that is more of a regressive tax than anything else.”
The conversation began with a look at racism.
On the subject of fighting for his children’s future, Eastman asserted that he thinks:
“I should be the last generation that has to grow up in a racist country.”
“I don’t believe that we live in a racist society. I believe that racism exists. I think it’s all over the place.
“I don’t believe that identifying everything as racist is the solution, because when you make everything racist, nothing is racist….
“I think that it places an unnecessary divide between us as Americans when you start out with a presumption that that everybody and everything in this country is racist.”
The discussion then turned to the subject of racism in law enforcement.
“I do think law enforcement is inherently racist, and I think it is inherently racist because we never cleaned up the system to begin with.
“It has always been inherently racist from its core.”
When Reyes asked for numbers to back up Eastman’s statement, however, Eastman offered none, but he went on to insist that enforcement of misdemeanors such as jaywalking in urban areas of Connecticut disproportionately affected black persons.
However, when the conversation later turned to racial disparities in criminal activities, Reyes was well prepared with numbers to back his own assertions.
Eastman recounted how “family hearsay” told him that an uncle of his was killed long ago by a white person — white “of course,” because his uncle was hung.
Reyes pointed out the racism inherent in assuming the race of the uncle’s killer.
“My assumption is that he was lynched in the South, he was white. That might be racist, but I’m going to just go with that assumption.”
Armed with FBI statistics, Reyes countered:
“Black people make up 13 percent of America, and yet account for 44 percent of violent crime and  percent of murders.
“Statistically, based on data, it would actually be a more accurate assumption to assume that if I had a white relative who was killed by somebody, that, statistically, it would be safer to assume that they were killed by a black person.”
Segueing back into the topic of law enforcement, Reyes added:
“I don’t believe that law enforcement is looking for black men. I believe law enforcement is looking for crime. Period.
“And so the idea that law enforcement is racist – it’s a false narrative.”
The subject then turned to the corporate media narrative that law enforcement is targeting black persons.
“It is a false narrative to say that police are killing unarmed black men. It is a false narrative.
“There are 850,000 sworn law enforcement officers, approximately.
“We are lumping all of them, and generalizing them, and attacking them for the actions of 0.01 percent of law enforcement.”
Attorney General Bill Barr says it’s a “false narrative” to say there is an “epidemic of cops shooting unarmed black men." He’s correct. And anyone who spends 5 minutes (too much work for @cnn @abc @msnbc or #BLM) reviewing FBI statistics, would know this. https://t.co/4xvZeLpFOn
— David Burke 🇺🇸 (@ConservativeTht) September 3, 2020
Reyes continued with additional statistical references, noting that there are 300 million interactions annually between law enforcement and the American public.
“Of those, there are more than 10 million investigative interactions between law enforcement and the public, accounting for 1.2 million violent felonies.”
Reyes also stated that in 2019, there were 999 fatal officer-involved shootings. Of those, he added, all but 55 were shootings of armed individuals. Out of those 55 instances, law enforcement attempted using non-lethal force in 75 percent.
“The majority of those people killed by officers were white.”
Reyes then asked Eastman:
“Help me understand how we can generalize that police officers are exponentially killing unarmed black men when, again, I want to go back to those previous numbers, black men and women make up 13 percent of America but 44 percent of violent crime and 56 percent of murders.
“Police aren’t following black people. They’re following crime, bro!”
Without citing statistical references, Eastman responded, in part:
“It’s when those murderous actions that disproportionately affect the African-American community through these systems that we have not fixed… We’re never just talking about a body.
“We’re talking about an entire system that has failed both educationally, both in the interactions of law enforcement and everything else….
“We don’t even think there should be that many interactions with law enforcement in the United States because American law enforcement is highly militarized and violent.”
“How has that worked out for Minneapolis? For Baltimore?”
“How’s it working out for Sweden? For Norway?
“We’re talking about different countries. We’re talking about different histories. We’re talking about massively different populations.”
When the conversation again turned to statistics and officer-involved shootings, Reyes reiterated that, of the 999 cases of officer-involved shootings, 941 of those shot were armed.
Eastman found himself forced to concede that statistics would probably sway his opinion on his presumption that law enforcement targeted black persons.
He told Reyes and Alan:
“If I were able to see that all the numbers said that they were armed, yeah, that would make me think that maybe we should look into those shootings as more justified.”
Reyes later pressed Eastman on the subject of Black Lives Matter supporting convicted felons, saying:
“So you’re okay with the Black Lives Matter movement rallying around people who pull weapons on officers, and turning them into martyrs when they are shot and killed, but you are not okay with a police union that steps up and says, ‘That officer made a decision to protect the general public when a gun was pulled on him.
“You have a problem with that, with police unions backing officers, in justified shootings, but you are okay with Black Lives Matter rallying around convicted felons who pull weapons on officers.”
“I’m okay with balance, and I think that if you have a police union that’s gonna back a cop, you have an equal and opposite advocate, for the people.”
Reyes countered by asking if any police union supported Derek Chauvin, then pointed out that Chauvin’s own police union immediately demanded an investigation into what happened.
“You deserve due process in the same way that an officer involved in a shooting deserves due process.”
The episode concluded with a fist-bump and a promise to have additional respectful discussions between Reyes and Eastman.
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Below is an article written in November, 2018, by Law Enforcement Today national spokesman Kyle Reyes on the subject of police and racism:
Here’s the Proof that Police Aren’t Racist Killers
Police are evil racist Nazi pigs.
According to certain fringe groups, that is. But I’d suggest the majority of Americans are pretty sick and tired of this narrative.
Put on the news and what do you see? Stories about police-involved shootings. And riots, of course. Because the two go hand in hand.
Let’s talk about police use of force. It’s time to systematically destroy the argument that cops are racist killers. And I’ll break this down pretty simply so everyone can understand.
- The U.S. population is about 314,000,000 people.
- There are approximately 670,439 police officers.
- That means there are less than 2.2 police officers per 1,000, or 2,133 officers per million.
- Police officers are less than .22 % of population.
- Officers come into contact with 17% of the population annually.
- That means 53,380,000 contacts …
- Which led to 26,000 excessive force complaints against officers.
- That’s 0.049% of contacts.
- Only 8% of those complaints were sustained.
- That’s 2,080 out of 53,380,000 contacts, or .0039%
A good friend of mine who is a Chief of Police put that into perspective:
- You are seven times more likely to be murdered …
- 15 times more likely to be killed in a traffic accident …
- 42 times more likely to be raped …
… than to have a police officer use excessive force on you.
But we’re just warming up. Let’s look at 2015 police shootings – a time during which some argue police “brutality” spiked.
990 people were shot by police in 2015. Here’s the demographic breakdown of those “victims”:
- White — 494, 50%
- Black — 258, 26%
- Hispanic – 172, 17%
- Other — 66, 7%
- Mental illness played a role in 25%.
- 25% involved fleeing suspects.
- In 75% of the incidents, the officer was under attack or defending someone that was.
- Indictments of police officers tripled from previous years.
Listen. I’m not suggesting racism doesn’t exist in law enforcement. It exists everywhere – that’s the sad truth of it.
And yes, black people in the United States are more likely to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers (per capita) than their white counterparts. But let’s dive deeper into why this is.
Statistically, minorities come to police attention far more than their population would suggest.
- Black Americans make up about 13% of the population.
- But according to the FBI, they account for about 50% of murders, and about 38% of all violent crime overall.
Chicago gives us some great examples. And let’s not forget the insanely strict gun laws there, by the way. For example, during the first eight months of 2016 (the most recent period for which the numbers are available), 2,818 people were shot — only 12 by police. (That’s one-half of 1 percent).
In cities with large black populations, homicide rates have skyrocketed during that same period:
- In Washington D.C., homicides are up 54%. In Cleveland, up 90%. Overall, homicide is up 17%.
- The U.S. Department of Justice says that Black people make up 15% of the population in the 75 largest counties in the United States, yet account for 62% of all robberies, 57% of murders, 45% of all assaults.
So what’s going on here? Are we confusing the color of one’s skin with poverty or inequality? It’s a fair argument. Black people tend to be greater offenders, statistically speaking, because they tend to be more disadvantaged, living in poorer urban areas with less access to public services.
Then of course there’s the argument about the “violent subculture theory.” This is the idea that some black communities have developed cultural values that are more tolerant of crime and violence.
I want to leave you with a few recent studies.
First, a 2016 study by Roland G. Fryer Jr., who is an economics professor at Harvard. He found that no racial bias could be detected in police shootings, in either the raw data or when accounting for controls. He also found racial bias was detected in lesser use of police force, but not deadly encounters. His recommendation?
“Black Lives Matter should seek solutions within their own communities rather than changing the behaviors of police and other external forces.”
Second, there were 6,095 black homicide deaths in 2014 according to FBI Data — the most recent year for which such data are available — compared with 5,397 homicide deaths for whites and Hispanics combined. Almost all of those black homicide victims had black killers.
Finally, police officers — of all races — are also disproportionately endangered by black assailants. Over the past decade, according to FBI data, 40% of cop killers have been black. Officers are killed by blacks at a rate 2.5 times higher than the rate at which blacks are killed by police.
Seems to me like the real problem here is socioeconomic disparities along with a public perception issue thanks to biased reporting. And let’s not forget the huge role that social media plays in disseminating false narratives and creating emotional, knee-jerk reactions.
It’s important to have very real conversations about racism in America and accountability among those who hold the thin blue line. Let’s just make sure we’re basing those conversations on facts and not feelings.
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